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Bodhi
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Introversion and the Ego
« on: December 12, 2009, 04:22:02 PM »

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I have been listening to Eckhart Tolle's, "The New Earth" and it seems to me that us innies might have too much ego. Ego is all about the thinking mind and since that's what us innies do all the time it makes me wonder if we aren't too egotistical. Is it the way our brains operate that causes this or because we are egotistical that are brains operate the way they do. I haven't listened to "The Power of Now" yet. I bought it today. So if we practiced being present would it change our introversion?
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Re: Introversion and the Ego
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2009, 02:54:46 AM »

So if we practiced being present would it change our introversion?

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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2009, 05:23:42 AM »

It sounds like you've already decided that your theory about us being egotistical is a fact and that it's something that needs changing! I don't think you are right there...but I could be wrong!

 Besides, isn't egotistical behaviour characterised by a lack of awareness and sensitivity towards others in general? That's not something any introvert I know can be accused of too readily.
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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2009, 07:22:22 AM »

Nope, I haven't formed any theories. I haven't even formed any hypotheses.  Tongue. I just wanted to talk with some other innies about stuff that is floating around in my head, cause I didn't think it was safe to talk to outies about this stuff. But, if it isn't safe to have discussion here...well, I'll just go back into my head.  Cry
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2009, 10:04:40 AM »

Bodhi,

I've found it to be relatively safe here but I've realized that apparently we tend to be curt, borderline rude at times. 

More than that it if we represent introverts, introverts appear to be hypersensitive to ourselves and often confused about others.

This isn't the love boat, though. 
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2009, 10:09:08 AM »

I guess I should have used the word egocentric instead of egotistical. I guess I need to learn more about hypersensitivity.  I suppose this question would be best posted on one of the Eckhart Tolle forums.
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2009, 12:09:33 PM »

When I was on my "gnosticism kick" we spoke a lot about egos and I questioned the intent of those who originated the idea of these "egos" or "psychological defects" and now wonder if it was some kind of method of control.  These spiritual leaders were influenced by governmental entities in the mere allowance of the "freedom of religion."  How do we suppose we are even allowed to gather peacefully to offer up some kind of worship to some being or force without the government knowing about it or even supporting it?

It is obvious that a lot of corruption, lies, and deception are in our governments and in our religions.  Governments want us to be controlled and they create a system in order to keep us like "putty in the palm of their hands."  They need to establish a sense of "right" and "wrong" in order to control our behavior.  The idea of the "ego," "sin," and the like are values that have been accepted as common knowledge but if these were fulfilling their purpose then we would live in a much more functional and respectable world.

It is my thought that we have been forced to feel, to think, and to act in the ways our leaders want us to by presenting to us something that they label as "truth" and requiring us to follow that example under penalty of death or imprisonment or alienation.  The faculties and enforcement of guilt and dysfunction through the ideas of "sin," "ego," "rebellion," "lawlessness" and the like are ways that we are "kept in check" while those who are behind the scenes carry out their plan.

In essence, we have no idea who we really are until we experience at least 25% of the truth that has been hidden from us or made to be a big hoax or "tall tale" in order to deceive us.  Our governments have low frequency manipulators that can influence our thoughts and even feelings.  We have no idea as to the capability of our leaders yet somewhere deep down inside we know that we are getting a very, very watered down version of what is actually out there.  We know that a lot of people aren't telling us a lot of things.  We just accept things as they are without daring to ask questions; it is easier that way.

I haven't read "A New Earth" but I think that it would help to know a little something about HOW we think, act, speak and if it really is completely of our own initiative OR if there is another influence that we have no idea is out there.  IF there is something influencing our thoughts then I think the most compassionate and merciful ideas are all vain because we don't even know if they are our own or if they serve the purpose of the corrupt individuals who instigated them.  Anyone can appear compassionate to fulfill their greater goal.  We don't even know if we are just programmed to be a certain way due to the manipulation of high-powered individuals.

Are we trying to "get somewhere in life" or are we trying to find out what life really is in the first place?  There is a layer of things that we can do and may "like" based on a number of things but there is something that goes deeper that everyone wants to know and an emptiness everyone wants filled and I believe that it starts with the truth.  What is our ancient history as this species?  Who taught us to be?  Who taught those who taught us and so forth?  Is it just easier to shut our mouths and minds and pretend we know everything?

If the "power of now" wants us to focus on "now" do they deny that there is a past and future?  If these "evil egos" are found in our thoughts then does that mean remembering a crucial facet of information that saved your life is a product of the "horrible ego?"  On the other hand, is the idea of choice another "ego" that needs to be eradicated?  Are there no options and only action?  It seems like someone wanted to find a new way of controlling and labeling us if this is the case.  It seems that this person is negative about the idea of the "past" and the "future" and "analysis."  These are my "ideas" about what you have stated in a few sentences.  

I don't know the fullness of why Tolle has interested you but based on my own research and experience and the individuality that I am trying to build in my own thoughts (which I think are still my own), I think that there is a reason that things like "time," "solar systems," "biology," "life forms," "matter" and "energy" exist.  We don't fully know why these things exist and how we relate them and it is a possibility that somewhere someone has encountered some information that is accurate.  Until then I think that I will continue to search until my dying day.  At least I will have known that I made an attempt to make this life into something that doesn't just spark and fizzle away into an impertinent nothingness but that sought its purpose and source during its "sparkly stage."  Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2009, 02:29:47 PM »

I apologize Bodhi if I came across as being rude or curt...it was not my intention...bad day!
 I honestly didn't realise how it sounded when I wrote it. It was late and I had just had a wierd experience on another forum...plus, it's THAT time of the month so I'm a little bit testy. You are certainly safe to discuss these things here...
 I interpret egostistical behaviour as being akin to pretty much walking around stomping on other people without regard as that has been my experience of people. Didn't mean to jump down your throat about it though...
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2009, 03:21:21 PM »

Flame, LOL

I was thinking of Alex's "No" when I came to Bodhi's rescue.

I actually thought your comment to Bodhi's question was quite lovely. And I didn't for an instance think Alex was being either rude or curt. 

I just saw a little of myself in Bodhi's reaction and felt some empathy towards his misunderstanding and sensitivity. 
   
So often reading the posts is like looking in the mirror for me.  I have been trying desperately to understand why it is that I am unable to interact with others.

I've decided that it's nothing I can do anything about.  No matter how hard I've tried or not tried to interact I can't change the fact that I am introvert who knows little or nothing about interaction with people. 

It could be interpreted as being egocentric when in reality I hate being the center of a conflict and the best way to avoid it is to not play the game.


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« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2009, 04:57:05 PM »

Apology accepted Flame. I read your other post and can see you had a rough time.

Radames, thanks for the response. I have just begun to look at Tolle's work, so there is no way I could explain any of it.

Charlie, I appreciate the empathy. Its hard for me as an introvert to even speak or write in the first place. It seems every time I talk or write no one understands what I'm asking or saying. Every time I open my mouth I just want to close it again and never speak.

My avatar of Neo with no mouth expresses how I feel every day.
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« Reply #10 on: December 13, 2009, 05:39:22 PM »

Bodhi

I have no street cred here but I think we all know what you mean. 
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« Reply #11 on: December 13, 2009, 07:59:20 PM »

Oh yeah.

 I don't know if you were with us when I wrote about how I stopped talking alltogether for a year or more a few years ago because I felt like everything that came out of my mouth sounded so stupid and alien and people looked at me like I was a fruitcake (and called me one as well) that I just decided not to talk again...and it lasted for quite a while...and I was pretty happy that way...though it was uncomfortable at times as well, especially with other people being around me, telling me to talk and getting annoyed with me for not!

Oh I didn't get that your avatar was Keanu...I thought it was actually you and you had blurred your mouth out...I guessed why.
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2009, 10:27:53 AM »

Hey Bodhi,
I sound very passionate when I carry on and it displays the way I share my ideas.  I am an "all or nothing" type of guy.  I can't really find a middle ground without getting too frustrated.  I just have to limit the number of times I go "all or nothing" in what I say and do and think and feel.

If I sounded negative it wasn't my intention.  I get frustrated when we are all used and fooled and misguided and manipulated in various ways.  My passion feels that we all deserve the completeness of what we should be having on this earth as its citizens rather than the allusion of excellency through deception.  As I stated in other posts, we have many highly advanced process and services and gadgets that could bring this world to a much healthier state of being and function but we are blatantly controlled, killed, and dehumanized while being made to think that we are getting all that we deserve or need.

The force and anger that you hear is directed toward these power-hungry morons and not toward you.  It is my way of being "all-or-nothing."  When I am on the "nothing" side it is as if I become a robot and careless about who I am or what I am doing.  It is frustrating to have to swing back and forth so much but the longer I survive in his zany world, the shorter the length of the spectrum becomes and the more I become balanced.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2010, 09:41:17 AM »

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I've found it to be relatively safe here but I've realized that apparently we tend to be curt, borderline rude at times.

More than that it if we represent introverts, introverts appear to be hypersensitive to ourselves and often confused about others.

I go back and forth about this egocentric thing - very often being true to my innie self makes me feel detached and mean toward others (i.e. rejecting invites, refusal to become friendly with new people, etc.). Sometimes I wonder if I am too self-absorbed and self-centred. Other times, I feel I need that separateness and alone time so I don't go insane, and feel better only after I have isolated myself for a bit. It's a constant push and pull - I think innies would be happier if we could balance our needs out, or at least find ways to explain to people what we need (i.e. privacy) without having to angrily defend ourselves, and therefore lead others to think we are nasty, mean creatures.

I for one admire people who I know for sure are innies, but are able to stand up for themselves and have their quiet time, but do so in a way that is gracious and doesn't hurt other people's feelings. Haven't managed to get there yet, but feel I would be happier if I could find that middle ground.
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