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Re: Questions that I Strongly Dislike
« Reply #90 on: May 24, 2009, 09:36:38 AM »
Yeah, it's definitely good to argue a point for the sake of learning and gaining a new perspective but that doesn't mean that everything has to turn into a long discussion just for the sake of challenging people.  Not everything has to become a debate. When people feel like they are always being challenged, they tend to back off from the person who is always doing the challenging. I think this is what flame meant when she said that she always feels like she is being tested. In situations like that, the person who is constantly being challenged, feels like they are in a battle that they can't ever win. I've been around people who always felt like they had to challenge me and those are the people that I often avoided.  Like one coworker that I had, I couldn't stand the woman because of her "combative" attitude.  Anytime I said something to her, she would say the opposite. She would never try to see anything from my point of view. She was extremely gifted in no"ing" me to death, then she was shocked when I suddenly rudely lashed out at her one day.  People like this are often psychological tormentors. Sometimes a person just wants to feel validated and to know that there are other people who can see things from their point of view.
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Re: Questions that I Strongly Dislike
« Reply #91 on: May 24, 2009, 01:07:08 PM »
FoT, I agree, everything doesn't have to become a debate. But this is a discussion forum, after all, you can sort of expect that here lol. Do you think I'm just doing it too much? Because I do worry about that since I am aware of how annoying most people find that part of my personality. So even though I love to do it, I try to keep a lid on it so as not to totally alienate the people around me. But I thought it might be more welcome on a discussion forum, especially amongst fellow introverts who I assumed (after reading many books about introversion) would be more into intellectually stimulating things, like debates. I thought my "annoying" threshold would be a little higher here lol. But apparently, it isn't.. which makes me wonder why you and Flame have stuck with me in this whole thread, if you don't find this this type of social intercourse to be as enjoyable as I do?

FoT, what you and your co-worker were doing seems to me to be more about some kind of power strspamle about who's right, not a healthy debate or a spirited exchange of ideas.  I think the people who are most resistant to other people's ideas are the ones who are too psychologically invested in their own views to be able to change them. It's too painful, they don?t want to do it, their ego can't let go of it. I've been there and I know how hard it can be to change, especially your core beliefs about yourself.  I can?t tell you how many different beliefs I?ve held onto in my 42 years that I?ve had to adjust. It?s not only painful, it?s often humbling and who likes to be humbled?? No one. It totally s*cks lol.

I also learned through this, after spending a lot of years being an emotionally fragile person and walking on eggshells around other emotionally fragile people who couldn't take it if you told them the sky was blue when they say it?s green (just like I never used to be able to take it) that learning how to engage in a healthy debate was the best thing I could do for my own sanity.

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Re: Questions that I Strongly Dislike
« Reply #92 on: May 24, 2009, 02:46:31 PM »
FoT, I agree, everything doesn't have to become a debate. But this is a discussion forum, after all, you can sort of expect that here lol. Do you think I'm just doing it too much? Because I do worry about that since I am aware of how annoying most people find that part of my personality. So even though I love to do it, I try to keep a lid on it so as not to totally alienate the people around me. But I thought it might be more welcome on a discussion forum, especially amongst fellow introverts who I assumed (after reading many books about introversion) would be more into intellectually stimulating things, like debates. I thought my "annoying" threshold would be a little higher here lol. But apparently, it isn't.. which makes me wonder why you and Flame have stuck with me in this whole thread, if you don't find this this type of social intercourse to be as enjoyable as I do?

FoT, what you and your co-worker were doing seems to me to be more about some kind of power strspamle about who's right, not a healthy debate or a spirited exchange of ideas.  I think the people who are most resistant to other people's ideas are the ones who are too psychologically invested in their own views to be able to change them. It's too painful, they don?t want to do it, their ego can't let go of it. I've been there and I know how hard it can be to change, especially your core beliefs about yourself.  I can?t tell you how many different beliefs I?ve held onto in my 42 years that I?ve had to adjust. It?s not only painful, it?s often humbling and who likes to be humbled?? No one. It totally s*cks lol.

I also learned through this, after spending a lot of years being an emotionally fragile person and walking on eggshells around other emotionally fragile people who couldn't take it if you told them the sky was blue when they say it?s green (just like I never used to be able to take it) that learning how to engage in a healthy debate was the best thing I could do for my own sanity.


niki, I do see where you are coming from and I realize that people enjoy different things, such as you enjoying getting into the spirit of a debate. And I do think that it is a great thing for you, but like we both pointed out, sometimes it just becomes frustrating to others. I think this is when people start to feel like they are walking on "egg shells" in terms of what they say, because they know that something that they say might turn into a verbal sparring match with the person who enjoys a good debate. But you are definitely right, this is a discussion board and that is one purpose of a discussion board.  And the reason why I have replied to your posts is because even though I'm not big on debate, if you make a point that jumps out at me, then I'll do a post regarding that point and how I can relate to it or how my situations have been different. And you have definitely made some points that I felt like commenting on. You, flame, and I have been the ones to actually keep a few threads going hahaha :D,so in the end, it is what it is.  And it's better to participate and learn something new rather than completely miss out on the experience.
  And you are right, the coworker situation that I had was an unhealthy power strspamle. It wasn't really a strspamle that I wanted to be in but she was quite domineering and unmoveable and that was a big reason why I suddenly just lashed out at her one day at work.  I couldn't deal with her any longer.  At least with you, you are willing to discuss and clear things up, but this coworker was as rigid and unwilling to budge as a person can get, just always had to be right.
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Re: Questions that I Strongly Dislike
« Reply #93 on: May 24, 2009, 03:44:49 PM »
niki, I'm going to keep this short because I'm at work and I need my energy for working. I am totally open to being wrong and to be disagreed with for the same reasons that you gave, but it feels like you don't consider my point of view at all...you are focused on getting your pov across and understood, but it doesn't feel like you are willing to see things from my side of the fence and it feels like you just dismiss what I have to say alltogether. And yes, it's gotten to be a bit much for me at this time. I like a healthy debate and to be challenged, but not ALL the time! And I can take someone disagreeing with me...I'm not THAT fragile,lol! If you'd caught me about 6 months ago, that would have been a different story, but I'm much stronger than I was now!
 I have two mates who are very intense people and they think they have to challenge everything I say, which can be very draining...stimulating, but draining, and quite frankly I don't reallly have the energy for too much of it, so I think I will have to discipline myself from participating too much in your threads,as you do like to really get into it! Nothing wrong with that, if you have the energy and time, but I don't!
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« Reply #94 on: May 24, 2009, 04:17:54 PM »
What exactly is your pov that I'm not considering, Flame? I'm assuming it's the one about compliments? If it's something else, please let me know. But if it is your pov about compliments, your pov seems to be basically what most people think about it. Which I have given lots and lots of consideration to, waaay before I ever met you. I've even tried it on for size myself, to see if it fits. I think I've finally decided that it doesn't fit so well on me and I don't have to keep trying to make it fit.

I'm sorry if that came off like I was just dismissing your pov without even thinking about it. Trust me, I have thought long and hard about it, I can't really avoid it since it's so prevalent.

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Re: Questions that I Strongly Dislike
« Reply #95 on: May 24, 2009, 04:40:14 PM »
 I am not really willing to go too into all this now, niki. I don't have the energy to sift through all the other threads to find  the times I have noticed my pov being dismissed or corrected, but they are there! If you wish to you can! I will say, for the fourth time, that I see taking compliments about being ABLE to recieve, which I don't think is the standard way the masses think of it!
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« Reply #96 on: May 24, 2009, 05:11:33 PM »
Okey dokey, Flame. I don't really want to look through everything, either.

Btw, there's a big difference between dismissing someone's pov and disagreeing with them. I may have disagreed with you about some things but that doesn't mean I've dismissed your pov. It just means I don't agree with it, after thinking about it for myself or even trying it out for myself.

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Re: Questions that I Strongly Dislike
« Reply #97 on: May 31, 2009, 12:27:58 PM »
I can strongly empathize with most all of the questions I have read here.   Like others here, I've been asked them thousands of times.  So often they are delivered with an annoying patronizing tone.

-Lots of people have thought I was dumb or didn't have emotions because I didn't talk enough and didn't smile all the time. (http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/01/04/the-dumb-and-silent-type/)

-Are you a serial killer/terrorist?
I've gotten this one so often that I actually explored whether introverts fit this profile.
 (http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/04/26/the-myth-of-introvert-sociopathy/)
-I especially hate 'what do you listen to' because I find that I and other introverts listen to music for different reasons (http://kingdomofintroversion.com/2009/03/07/music-preference-and-introverts/).

Part of why extrovert questions are so annoying is that they are what I like to refer to as 'commonality audits'.  It's as though the Internal Belonging Service is investigating you to see if you behave the right way and like all the right things.
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« Reply #98 on: May 31, 2009, 06:55:40 PM »
"Can't you part with your cell phone for the hour in the restaurant?"

I am always amused to see two people in a restaurant talking to two OTHER people on their phones! 

What is so dire about not clutching that thing every minute of the day?

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« Reply #99 on: June 07, 2009, 10:49:01 PM »
Gluon,  I read this article and thought they were saying that sociopaths/killers etc went out of their way to not be like introverts.  ie that introverts were quiet and apparently anti-social and sociopaths always looked like the guy next door, friendly, helpful, charming and sociable.

Having met a number of sociopaths over the years, I would have to say that they are definitely more like extroverts in that they want everyone to like them in order to cover up their real agendas - ripping people off/controlling people etc.

You didn't actually say whether you came to the conclusion that introverts fit the serial killer profile though did you....


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« Reply #100 on: November 27, 2011, 02:02:13 PM »
There are so many ways to reply, but we wouldnt.

1)have you always been so rude?
2)do you ever stop to think before you open your mouth?
3)have you ever stopped to think about the consequences of your actions?

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« Reply #101 on: February 03, 2012, 11:26:03 PM »
I also get informed by complete guests to "smile". Which I discover obnoxious.

Maybe I am old created, but I desire that a unfamiliar person officially create himself, before just interjecting unique feedback towards me.
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« Reply #102 on: February 08, 2012, 08:26:26 AM »
I actually did say that to a companion a several several weeks ago and shock surprise, he didn't like it!
 He is extremely noisy in his speech, and tends to 'talk' at you, which is really grating to my thoughts. I don't really know how to deal with him. He has ADD and just shares constantly!

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« Reply #103 on: February 24, 2012, 10:37:03 PM »
 He is extremely noisy in his speech, and tends to 'talk' at you, which is really grating to my thoughts. I don't really know how to deal with him. He has ADD and just shares constantly! Does anyone have any encounter with individuals with ADD? Any sspamestions for how to cope? I can only take him in little amounts...sometimes I just wish I could media a option, like on a t.v handheld remote management control and convert on the 'mute'!

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« Reply #104 on: March 30, 2012, 11:10:31 PM »

Flame, how did your companion react??? What did he say in response?